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because of the impasse and also the fact that the consequences of the fiscal cliff, these spending cuts and these tax -- pardon me the spending cuts and the tax increases that kick in here at the end of the year, the consequences are very dire and following the election the white house and democrats think that they can really push republicans into a corner here. >> brianna keilar for us. thank you. just ahead we're going to be talking with connecticut senator richard blumenthal will join us to talk a little bit about the democrats' responsibility about this impending fiscal cliff. another story we're following, friends and family of kansas city chiefs jovan belcher looking for answers this morning after he killed his girlfriend and then took his own life. his team took to the field just a day after the tragedy. it was i guess kind of a somber victory. they beat the carolina panthers 27-21. just their second game of the season. saturday morning belcher shot his 22-year-old girlfriend kasandra perkins and then turned the gun on himself outside the practice facility. he and perkins leave b
-- he wants what's in the fiscal cliff. it's defense cuts and tax hikes. we're compromising with someone who doesn't want to compromise. he likes that stuff. i know he doesn't want to raise taxes on the middle class. but we have to give up everything in this deal. we should articulate our principles or give him what he wants. we're going to vote present and say -- >> boehner's doing the best he can. he's playing a short deck right now. >> you really think he's the best spokesman for conservatism. >> no, no. >> we should put a paul ryan -- we need younger leadership. >> paul ryan came out publicly in support of boehner. that's point number one. secondly, boehner jumped ryan over more senior people to put him as head of the budget committee. that's my second point. and boehner himself is being advised by ryan every step of the way. >> what do you say about this purge then? he's purging people that wants to balance the budget. >> you lost, ron. don't blame boehner. blame the republican party. blame conservatives. jim demint said it today. the conservative message has got to get out more pub
and entitlements at tate days from going over the fiscal cliff which is called the series of spending cuts and expiring tax breaks which would be an economic disaster. the sticking point is the call for higher taxes for families, higher taxes on amounts earned above $250,000. everyone gets the tax cut, the first $250,000 is not taxable only but that. the president says, look, i ran on this and i am going to do this. but he is signaling he could be flexible on how high they would go. ed henry is like. this has been out there for a few days. >>reporter: that right. the president had the governors in today and they underdiscover the fiscal cliff will not just impact the national economy but have a lot of impact on state and local economies, as well, and their state budgets, et cetera. the president, though, is standing firm. and jake carney saying unless the republicans give in on tax rates and raise the bush tax rates on the rich, there is no deal and the president is willing to go off the cliff. they hammered speaker boehner's proposal. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we are t
shrink. on january 1 . we go over the so-called fiscal cliff. and massive government spending cuts. >> and some people fear going off of the cliff could cost thousands of jobs and push our fragile economy back in recession. it seems like we have been down this road before. that deal according to the president and congressional republicans is far from a sure thing. the president said it was a so-called balanced approach to solve this crisis and what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people. >> it is unacceptable for republicans to hold middle class tax hostage because they refuse to let them go up on the wealthiest americans. >> people saying that the deal he offered doesn't look like a deal. steve is live in the washington bureau. is there any movement on either side. >> not much. a few republicans who are willing to talk about higher tax rev news but not higher tax rates. the president made a direct appeal to the public. the toy factory in pin pen. he urged congress to pass a bill and extend the era tax cuts for middle class only. >> congress coul
days away from the so-called fiscal cliff. drastic cuts that some feel will plow us back into a recession. >> only negotiations between the republicans and the white house have stop it. president obama tried to step up the pressure on republicans, visiting a family in northern virginia whose taxes would go up by some $4,000 a year if an agreement isn't reached. >> they're keeping it together. they're working hard. they're meeting their responsibilities. for them to be burdened unnecessarily because democrats and republicans aren't coming together to solve this problem gives you a sense of the costs involved in very personal terms. >> the president also met with new jersey's governor chris christie over at the white house. the republican governor was here in washington to talk about hurricane sandy relief efforts, and now they're in danger of going over the fiscal cliff with the rest of the country at the end of the month. our national political correspondent jim acosta has been covering this story for us. what's the latest with chris christie in washington. >> reporter: t
cliff? are you expecting the economy to go over the fiscal cliff and see these taxes go high hadder and spending cuts take effect? >> my personal view is i'm still optimistic. i think the conversation has been constructive since. do we have a solution on the table yet? no. but i'm optimistic we'll get to a framework. >> why? >> there's been enough dialogue. there's been movement. everyone seems to recognize the problem. everybody realizes there has to be a revenue component, spend component, entitlement reform component. for us, the business community and all the ceos, certainty is the greatest stimulus for us. >> do you support tax rates going higher? >> me personally, as an individual, more importantly the business community, which i'm part of. we support something inclusive. if rates were higher in a videocasset vacuum, i'm not sure we'd be supportive of that. we have to make sure the consumers, those who spends a lot of the dollars, the middle class, are protected in this exercise. >> i guess the question i'm really getting at is, do you get the revenue from tax increases or fro
any sense to me because while that sounds like logic, there's that other side of the fiscal cliff, all those horrible cuts that could plunge us into a depression and all the rest that no democrats want either. so are you serious, you really -- are you really saying what i think you're saying, that is that it might be a strategy that the president really wants? wants us all to go over the cliff? and then just blame you? >> yeah. that i think that's to his political advantage to do that, because then he gets to blame us, set up the 2014 elections by us being the bad guys. but look at this. a lot of my colleagues on the other side of the aisle like the $600 billion hit to the defense department and they'll absorb the 2% of cuts to the other programs out there, and remember, none of the cuts that are in the sequestration have to do with the big three on the entitlement programs. most of us would love to see an erskine-bowles type of solution put on the table here. >> so what if there were -- >> the simpson-bowles, sorry. >> simpson-bowles, i understood what you mean. there is an erskine bo
of a deal now and that will keep us from going over the fiscal cliff. then let the tax cuts expire for the wealthy january 1st. it happens. then you can do some kind of negotiation. and that keeps us from going over the fiscal cliff. it's going to happen anyway, right? >> this is the very kind of shell game they run in washington. if you'll just give me my tax increases today, i surely will give you your spending restraint tomorrow. >> but you have no leverage in the debate. >> we never see these spending reductions materialize. that's the problem. we're borrowing roughly 40 cents on the dollar, much of it from the chinese, sending the bill to our children and grandchildren. that's unwise and unsustainable. frankly, i think it's immoral. and what you're saying is that republicans ought to agree, and somehow vote for a big proposed tax increase in hopes that in decade decades to come that this president will do something about spending. >> no, i didn't say that. what i said was why not -- why don't republicans and democrats vote for a tax -- to keep the taxes lower for middle class
is it not addressed by the president? >> it is this kind muchunging to get us over the fiscal cliff. we are two parts to the solution. focus on the correct entitlements to cut and reorganize medicare so it works but doesn't take us down the drain. >> there are no offer the allelula. zero cuts. >> we are in negotiation. what happened this week. >> it is it a call for unconditional surrender is what it is. >> you think this is going to be the deal. >> victoria when you come to a bargaining table you start high and pull back. but this proposal, had no spending cuts all all. >> there is a stimulus increase. >> it s unbelievable to me. >> what is that mark? >> you are saying -- >> we have a revenue problem. we took away a trillion out of the budget by giving tax cuts to rich people and you need to put that revenue back. >> by the way, >> we spend another trillion. >> they are tax rates . they are not tax cuts. they are tax rates . how much they bring in. >> what are you talking about? >> 84 billion a year . that is 84 billion that is enough to cover government spending for a week and a half. the issue, dc
, fiscal cliff, i have to cut numbers. i have to cut guidance. i think many ceos will cut guidance because of the possibility that the amt is going to -- this alternative minimum tax, people don't know they have to write a check for $3,500 at the end of the year. once you jump over the cliff, you can reverse the payroll tax. senator corker who is terrific and had good privilege of talking with him this weekend, we both know you can't reverse amt. once you go over the cliff, amt is insidious. it's hard to figure out. >> in terms of negotiations we will sit here day after day, is it more theatrics, are they really stalled, will we get down to something at the end of the day that doesn't deal with everything, doesn't deal with fundamental tax reform but in terms of taxes and spending and put other issues into 2013? don't you think a lot of it is theatrics. >> i feel that if you vote -- if you can't utter the word increase next to the word tax, which is somehow many republicans can't put that sin tax -- >> you just need enough of them to do that. >> that's a good point. grover norquist my frie
. this is not the whole fiscal cliff but just the sequester. $1.2 trillion of mandatory spending cuts over ten years and scheduled for january 2nd. half of that money cut in defense. half in everything else. next year alone could take $65 billion out of spending and a million jobs versus growing 2 million which is what the u.s. is on track to do now. i fully understand the government needs to spend less and spend more efficiently but how you achieve it is as important as how much you cut and the sledge hammer approach is not economically sound. now, there are targeted and measured ways to do it without driving the country in to another recession. some debate today as to whether we're in one or not but the sequester will only make things worse. congress, solve it. solve it nowme. we're all watching. housing is hot. if you have credit and money for a down payment, the perfect time to buy. nationally, affordability is the best it's been in a long time. new york city is the least affordable place in america to purchase a home. no big surprise here. home prices in new york are nearly two and a half times
it the fiscal cliff because they don't want to e embrace either the tax increases or spending cuts and i think it's foolish to think this congress can come up with a better deal. >> you know what's interesting, to eric's point, there is a great irony in this that the democrats are saying we've got to raise taxes and the fiscal cliff does both. just not in the way anybody wants it, so if they can't do that, how are they going to find a way they can all agree on? >> the superfailed committee. this is a giant hatchet as opposed to a scalpel. >> it was designed to fail. >> i agree, but the real solution and real irony is going to be the ultimate deal's going to look like the obama boehner grand bargain that was negotiated and almost done in the summer of 2011. the fact that we couldn't make that deal then i think's a tragedy for the country. one of the thing's it did was lead to that aaa downgrading. that was unnecessary. >> let me just follow up on this point of what republicans should accept. you said you'd go back to the clinton era tax rates if you could get the spending that went with it. the
the disastrous combination of tax rate increases and spending cuts now known as the fiscal cliff. >> president obama is sending tim geithner to the hill today to meet with multiple congress ohhal leaders. i want to bring in senator john barrasso, republican from wyoming. senator, good to see you. good morning. >> thanks for having me. >> let's begin with something that's been reported on by the wall street journal. which is something we heard a couple days ago. the fact that the president now appears to be flexible when it comes to the top 2%. quote, president obama signalled he wouldn'tnsist tax rates on upper income americans rise to clinton era peaks as part of a deficit reduction deal. the white house's flexibility first described by democrat erskine bowles after meetings with mr. obama and others confirmed by administration officials could envision tax rates increase from their current levels but less than clinton era levels. would you agree to a deal, senator? call it in the middle. 37%. >> well, the problem with that is raising those tax rates on those folks really doesn't address the m
it if a minute. >> before the fiscal cliff deadline the idea of the coming expiration of tax cuts and spending cuts impacting our 401(k)'s and stocks are edging higher. they are optimistic today on wall street and are optimistic congress and the white house will strike a deal but the deadline. stocks slid early by 85 points ben speaker said he was disappointed in the lack of progress. but that could be for public consumption there is progress behind-the-scenes. and now, at least in public, he sounded irritated but i am told there is something different behind the scenes, is that true? >>reporter: he did sound irritated which was striking, because after the president of the united states and speaker boehner spent 15 minutes on the phone according to a source familiar with the call, a lot of presidential time and speaker boehner time after a leak was made to a political publication, online publication, the speaker was not amuseed. >> this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. and this is a moment for adult leadership. campaigns that have leaks in the press are
a month from going over the fiscal cliff and the term economists call the series of spending cuts and expiring tax breaks that will take effect the first of the year. that could cost millions of jobs and lead to a new recession. it is basically austerity on steroids. republicans with their counteroffer today again reject the president's plan if higher taxes on families earning more than $250,000 a year. wendell is live at the white house. if they reject that i don't know how far this will go. the president could blink but his eyes seem wide open. >>reporter: it is a nonstarter if they reject continuing the upper income tax cuts. the republicans say the plan cuts the deficits by $4.6 trillion based on the white house method of counting based on the recommendations of the president's deficit reduction commission but the president could disagree. the republicans say the plan would raise $800 million through tax reform but not by phasing out the upper income bush tax cuts and before the plan was announced, white house press secretary insisted the rates will not make it to the new year
. independent of all this jibber jabber over the fiscal cliff, the economy is in really rough shape now. >> it is. we're seeing businesses cut back, getting ready for the eventuality they see coming, no deal by december 31st this worsening. sam, how do you want to be invested in 2013? where is the growth in the economy coming from, if anywhere? >> i think the growth is coming from an improvement in the housing sector. i think we are starting to see a slowdown in the job loss from the government sector. so, i think we're going to be seeing a better than half speed recovery. so, you do want to be taking a balanced approach. we do favor the consumer discretionary at this point offsetting with health care. >> gentlemen, thank you. more breaking news coming away right now. thanks for your thoughts. appreciate it. >> we have the letter. let's get to eamon javers. >> this is the letter speaker boehner sent to the president of the united states. the language he's choosing is important to understand, as he draes the president. the speaker saying, after a status quo election in which both you and
of spending cuts so far. and unless there is, there's a real danger of going off the fiscal cliff. >> a reporter asked senate majority leader harry reid about speaker boehner's comments. >> he says that democrats have got to get serious about cuts, spending cuts. where is the disconnect then? >> i don't understand his brain, so you should ask him. okay? >> and, of course, another day more republicans dumping grover norquist. among nebraska and is iowa republicans, most of them told the world herald this week they could support a broad budget agreement, even if the deal ends up including higher tax revenues. i won't have a problem with letting those tax rates go up, representative mike simpson said to reuters. but new york congressman chris gibson found the most creative way out of his relationship with grover. his spokesman released a statement reading, the congressman signed the pledge as a candidate in 2010 for the 20th congressional district. carson gibson doesn't plan to re-sign it for the 19th congressional district, which he now represents. the pledge is to your constituents
federal spending cuts unless congress and the president act so-called fiscal cliff. on the senate floor today, top senate democrat, here he was, harry reid, said the republican counteroffer unveiled yesterday is a serious proposal. reid called the offer a nonstarter. his word. but a serious proposal nonetheless. in an interview just today with bloomberg tv, president obama did not reject the gop offer outright. officials have called it a step backward, not worthy of a counteroffer. but, you know, bottom line here, you have two sides they appear to be pretty far apart with no new negotiations happening at least not to our knowledge. so, with me now from capitol hill is representative peter wel welch. democrat from vermont. good to see you. thanks for coming on. >> thank you. >> so let me just pose this one to you. you just heard harry reid, would you agree with harry reid the plan offered yesterday by that house speaker is, quote unquote, a serious plan? >> well, you know, i don't know the details of it. it is $800 billion supposedly in revenues and it is a lot of medicare cuts but not s
're getting a look at what the white house is offering to stop the fiscal cliff stalemate. drastic mandatory tax hikes and spending cuts will kick in with the new year unless, unless the white house and republicans can reach a deal. for weeks, gop lawmakers have said we're just waiting for the white house to give details, specifics, some numbers. well, tonight that's happened. the white house is calling their bluff and they've laid out how they want to cut the debt. jessica yellin is over at the white house for us tonight with new developments. jessica, what are the specifics of this offer tonight? >> reporter: hi, wolf. according to senior officials on both sides of the aisle, the president is asking for $1.6 trillion in new taxes. that includes raising taxes for families who make $250,000 or more. you'll recognize that as a pledge from his campaign. and it also includes limiting deductions and loopholes as well as other changes to capital gains and dividends taxes. well, that is the headline for republicans, wolf, who say it is far more money in tax rates than they ever expected to hear fr
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proposal to avoid the fiscal cliff. the ten-year, $2.2 trillion plan keeps bush-era tax cuts in place for all taxpayers. the white house has maintained the tax rates on the wealthy have to rise before they would sign off on any deal. the gop offer would raise $800 billion in new revenue and it would seeks $600 billion in health savings and revive cost of living increases for social security. >>> half a dozen governors are headed to the white house to talk about the fiscal cliff. they will tell the president that failing to come to an agreement will leave the states with the bill. after that they'll be going on to meet with some of the leaders in congress to make their same points there and we'll see what happens out of this. the markets have been watching just about every headline and trying to see what happens on this physical cliff issue. the "doubt" futures are up about 21 points. yesterday, though, we saw the markets close at the lows of the day. the dow down about 60 points on some of these concerns that, again, all of these issues still have quite aways to go before they reach a
and that would prevent us off of the fiscal cliff and tell harry reid do what you want and this is where why are. republicans have made a mistake by indicating they would go along with $800 billion in taxes and now you have negotiating. >>> and why did the republicans caved in the pressure and said they would accept a tax hike. >> that's the point. republicans indicated they are far more afraid of going over the cliff than the democrats. bark obama said i am ready to go off of the cliff unless you give me x, yand z . that's where the republicans made a mistake. >> if they pass and extend all of the tax cuts and send them over to the senate, they have done their job . if why go over the cliff then, it will be because of the president of the united states. it will be his economy. it will be his presidency on the line and also the country. if barak obama believes in the clinton tax cuts, let them go back into affect for the entire country and see if the country believes they are good for america. >> the president is campaign acting like he received a anytime percent man date when he only received h
the bush tax cuts. it's part of the fiscal cliff, because just like all of these other things, stuart, people are trying to move income out of 2013, into 2012, which makes this year look a little bit better than it should, but what it means is that when we hit january 1st, 2013, the economy's going to collapse as far as i can tell. stuart: whoa, whoa, collapse is a strong word, art. >> collapse as low as we are, i agree. stuart: now, the obamacare tax change is a change in the tax rate. >> yes. stuart: that's something that the president's absolutely insisting on. he wants tax rates to go up for the top two income brackets and that's being forced by the republicans. they don't want the rate to go up. they'll pay more in overall revenue, but don't want the rate to go up. your comments please on the president's stand-fast position on raising tax rates? >> well, rates are where the real action is, i mean, if you broaden the base and lowered rates, tax revenues on the rich went up. you'd have far less-- and the when you're growing the economy and profession of vobs and output, employment
stuff to discuss middle class tax cuts and the dangers of the fiscal cliff. it is a factory i toured as part of our "how i made my millions" series earlier this year. what is this called? >> just a hopper. >> reporter: intricate creations constructed with a plastic product called k'nex, a build it yourself toy invented by this big kid, joel blickman at the age of 50. >> i really built k'nex for myself. >> reporter: he was so convinced everyone would clamor for the toy, he pitched it to mattel and hasbro. >> what ends up turning out was that none of the toy companies wanted it. >> how do you overcome the rejection? >> you get annoyed, which i did. and decide well, we'll do it ourselves. if they're that dumb, what they know can't be that difficult to learn. >> reporter: they developed their own packaging, started marketing it. at first, they shipped it out to a few local shops. >> and they make those toys all in america. p "power lunch" exclusive, the kroe ceo, michael erickson. why do you think the president chose your factory, your company to make his fiscal cliff case? >> tyler, thi
, he's not particularly interested in avoiding the fiscal cliff, and he's clearly not interested at all in cutting any spending. >> reporter: while democrats and republicans debate the size and specifics on tax increases, the two sides also remain apart on spending cuts, reforming entitlement programs like medicare and on the president's request to have greater power to raise the country's debt limit. but the news coming out of this one, "wall street journal" headlines saying that staff members from the president's team and from speaker boehner's team are genre assuming talks. we confirmed as of a couple of hours hag that that wasn't the case, so we're going to check on that right now. david: what they're talking about, we don't know. liz: maybe not dead in the water. david: thank you, rich, appreciate it. liz: we've got good news for all of you last minute shoppers out there coming up in the speed read. david: and up next, first on fox business, tom kloet, ceo of tmx group, a parent of the toronto stock exchange, on the impact of all these regulations coming out of our country. how wil
, and spending cuts that many believe would be a fiscal cliff that would kick in on january the 1st. chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel is watching it all unfold on capitol hill. what do we know about the visit about the expectations for what might happen during it. >> reporter: martha, timothy geithner arrived here on capitol hill a short time ago to meet first with senate majority leader harry reid. we know he's having individual meetings with the top four leaders of congress. what republicans have said they want to hear, and republicans will be critical, because they need republican support to get any final fiscal cliff deal through the senate, and also through the house, they say they hope that he's coming with concrete spending cut ideas that are acceptable to the administration. one of the meetings today will be with senate republican leader mitch mcconnell who a short time ago sounded pretty fired up. >> the only reason democrats are insisting on raising rates is because raising rates on the so-called rich is the holy grail of liberalism. their aim is not job he tkraoe a
there and as we get closer to the fiscal cliff, both sides seem to be standing tough and what about the coverage, jim in. >> i think the debate overall that began with simpson bowls saying we should roughly have tax cuts, tax increases, pardon me, and spending cuts and so the media narrative is sort of, can we get simpson bowls through a recalcitrant republican congress? and what's changed though, i think it's really a role call, daniel new house and mary anne shiner, says simpson and bowls are no longer part of the discussion and it's now morphed into the tax increase and democrats lost interest in the taxing and can we put them on compromise on simpson-bowles and i think so far, the media with exception of a few reporters haven't caught on, but we see charles krauthammer, andrea tantaros, watch out. you're being snookered. >> and pushing republicans towards tax increases and john boehner said we're up for revenue-- >> as several have pointed out the democrats won the election and that means that there are consequences and financial consequences that flow from that, and if the president wants 1
. it's 30 days and counting until we go over the fiscal cliff. >> the president is demanding higher tax rates. congressional republicans want deeper spending cuts and entitlement reform. will they make a deal before we bring in the new year with a round of tax increases for all of us? we will ask the two men at the center of the negotiations where we really stand. for the president, treasury secretary timothy geithner. for the gop house speaker john boehner. geithner and boehner only on fox news sunday. plus, we've seen this movie before. the two parties edging closer and closer to the brink. we will ask our sunday panel whether we will get a happy ending or an economic disaster. and our power player of the week. a young beauty queen has to make a tough choice. all right now on fox news sunday. >> hello again from fox news in washington. well, we had quite a day around here friday with talks to avoid the fiscal cliff deadlock, and everyone saying the other side is to blame, pressure secretary geithner scheduled a ground of interviews. then friday afternoon, speaker boehner's office call
to compromise to get us closer to resolving the fiscal cliff issue? >> i think democrats have already shown a willingness to make very significant cuts. we've already in the budget control act agreed to an excess of $1 trillion of cuts. that's a pretty good faith counsel payment on our willingness to come to the table and do things that are very painful and difficult for us to do. we haven't seen that yet reciprocated in terms of gop willingness to raise the kind of revenues that we've already committed to reducing in terms of spending cuts. but i think we've demonstrated very good faith that we're ready to make the hard calls to pay down our debt, balance our books. at the same time, we don't want to take steps that are going to be counter productive? terms of the economy and getting people employed again. we don't want to go with an austerity approach like europe that will put us into potentially a double dip recession. >> speak to me about another issue that you've really been on the forefront of, and that is immigration reform, specifically as it pertains to highly educated and highly q
the fiscal cliff. one more look at futures this morning on a wednesday. look like open 28. "squawk on the street" is back in a minute. >> there's a look at citi. the news on the bank this morning cutting 11,000 jobs. still working on a percentage of what that is on the overall workforce. they think it will be a pretax charge of about a billion dollars. savings of 900 million in 2013. rising to about 1.1 billion in 2014. we'll keep an eye on that name. >> very big. >> yeah. shares of pandora taking a hit in premarket trade. online music service beat expectations with third quarter results. ceo joe kennedy says pandora's advertisers are displaying caution about spending because of the fiscal cliff. he'll be on "squawk on the street" at 11:40 eastern time. and netflix paying for exclusive rights to stream disney movies. a lot of happenings moving stocks in a big way. with pandora, analysts give pandora a pass but they keep putting out bright spots in third quarter that did come in better than expected. mobile monthization. >> this is the first company that came out and blamed the fisc
's at least get over the psychological hurdle of the fiscal cliff. move on, and put some bandaid together and then hopefully, the next group in there, minus obama, starts to cure this four years from now, because nothing's going to happen in the next four years good. but maybe we get through the fiscal cliff, but then another fiscal cliff comes, that's the whole point of this. >> in fact, and there was a proposal this week to try it get rid of the fiscal cliffs and no longer give congress full power to extend the debt. but i think, i'll tell you what, i'm kind of curious to see the other guys, i think we're going over the fiscal cliff because i think that congress would much rather have us go over the fiscal cliff and then vote to lower taxes and increase spending and they can't bare to raise taxes and reduce spending and that's where we'll end up in three months and have a vote to lower taxes and increase spending. >> jonas what does it do in the short-term, i know you're talking long-term. but short. >> they're scaring everybody about this, like we've got to keep pushing on or the world
evening. it's 10:00 on the east coast and we begin with brooking news on the looming fiscal cliff. and signs of a potential fall. for the past few nights we've been telling you about the frustrating lack of progress to avert a deal on automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that kick in less than four weeks from now. poll after poll shows the american people want compromise. but there weren't many signs that was going to happen, nothing was getting done. in a cnn/crc poll, 67% said washington officials would behave like spoiled children in the fiscal cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like responsible adults. tonight, signs that maybe some adult behavior might be prevail. and a compromise might be reached. joining me now, dana bash, jessica yellin, and david gergen. what's the latest? >> reporter: they are a long way from a deal. but late today speaker boehner and president obama did speak to one another on the phone. now, this is an important development because it's the first time they've talked in a week about the fiscal cliff. i am told, though, that there was no
, vis-a-vis the president on how to avoid the fiscal cliff or what we should do about tax increases and spending cuts. if mr. boehner is the principal negotiator, what he had to say lasted all of 30 seconds. he simply came out and said look, if the president doesn't agree with our plan, the republican plan, he should submit a plan that could pass through congress. he has failed to do that. he said, however, and he used these words, that speaker boehner and the republicans are ready and eager to negotiate with the president. doesn't sound like there's any degree of compromise there. there's an extremely short statement, really didn't say much of anything. that's it, speaker boehner. mr. cantor is now speaking. again, he's keeping it very very short and very much to the point. but the principal negotiator had all of 30 seconds. that's it. we brought it to you live. >>> back to the judge. >> well i was sort of hoping he would say no new taxes no new spending no new borrowing, draw a line in the sand, do what you were sent there to do. they are becoming enablering of obama -- they are b
. we were talking about the so-called fiscal cliff, if that happens, automatically taxes are going to go up for everyone. maybe, then, someone would ask, who was it that said we shouldn't just pass the tax cuts to make certain that the working poor and the middle class get it, who stopped us and who pushed us over the cliff. it won't be the democratic minority in the house of representatives. >>eric: always good to talk to you congressman rangel. good to see you, sir. paying for complaining is the wrath a restaurant chain is facing for speaking out on the president's health care law going to hush others up? not if herman cain has his say. he is next. you won't take my life. you won't take our future. aids affects us all. even babies. chevron is working to stop mother-to-child transmission. our employees and their families are part of the fight. and we're winning. at chevron nigeria, we haven't had a reported case in 12ears. aids is strong. aids is strong. but we are stronger. and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose. ♪ tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're com
the fiscal cliff, you see these huge spending cuts kicking in at the same time as higher taxes, i know the thinking is the president can say this is the republican's fault for doing this, but do you think he'd really stay over the cliff given what that would mean to the economy in such rapid fire fashion? >> i think the sequestration is more of a problem thax the tax rates. sequestration requires very big cuts very quickly which would jaw the economy. i think the president could give a speech over the next two weeks, prepare americans for going over the cliff and it's not guilty not going to be a big deal because tax rates are going to revert to where they were and the serious conversations with republicans begin. it gives everybody an opportunity to save face. the president gets what he wants. all the tax rates are go up. he can pull back the 98%. the republicans won't go against that. so in some ways, it works in everyone's political interest. sequestration is a big problem because if that goes into effect, the country certainly almost goes into recession. >> the sad thing is, we're
when we look at the fiscal cliff and everything else in terms of actual cuts in spending, everybody recoils in horror because they know it implies. >> you made your point, though, we surrendered to fdr, and instead of supplementing people, instead of letting them earn their own success, we're going to somehow try to deal with outcome rather than opportunity and pay for it. and you want to pay for -- >> no, i don't. >> in a fairer society. what you see as a fairer society. >> i didn't say it was a fairer society. but chris brought up an important point. and i want people to talk about the "wall street journal" today. we're not talking about cutting spending, not talking about cutting growth rates, which is a huge difference, one reason why people like me look at former presidential candidate mitt romney talk about npr or planned parenthood. the number one answer for balancing the budget is foreign aid. which if you really wanted to balance the budget and you don't always have to go to the department of justice or whatever it may be. but over the next ten years, 90% of federal outlays
. >>> deal or no deal. we're on the edge of our seats. washington, the fiscal cliff suspense is killing us. 29 days in counting until our taxes go up and across the board spending cuts. we still don't know any of the details. instead we're getting lots of mixed messages as to what exactly is going to happen, where things stand. >> there has been progress. >> right now i would say we're nowhere. >> i'm increasingly pessimistic. >> so tonight, two men who have lots of experience dealing with lawmakers. paul begala, david frum, former adviser to president george w. bush. gentlemen, nice to have you both. david, let's start with you. depending on who you listen to, it's either going great or not going well at all. they're either optimistic or completely pessimistic. which is it? >> i feel about this whole process as a basketball nonfan, i feel about basketball, which is start it 100-100 and play for five minutes to get it over with. but i think we also need to take a step back and realize just how lunatic this whole process is. what the united states does not need right now is either spending
in the corner and make them rush in the middle of a panic as we are about to fall off of the cliff to cut a deal. stuart: here's my problem. if you get a deal, anything like what the president has proposed, or if you go over the fiscal cliff full tilt, either way, you will have a recession and president obama's second term starts on a very negative note for the american economy. >> you put your finger on the problem. the point of having these fiscal cliff negotiations is to avoid what could lead to a recession, to avoid a calamity. the proposal your putting forward leaves you with an even worse position than you are now, what is the purpose of this? stuart: stay there for a second. i want to get the company's opinion on the raising of the debt ceiling. it is and abolition of the debt ceiling so the president and borrow whatever he wants without congressional authority. >> extraordinary power grab like we haven't seen in a long time. washington d.c. has been in bubble bland. we are in a government bubble. washington d.c. is disconnected from the reality of real-estate going up but the issue is wa
. tonight we are one day closer to the fiscal cliff and not one iota closer to a deal to avoid it. now, on january 1st, four weeks from today, automatic tax hikes and spending cuts kick in with potentially serious consequences for virtually every taxpayer in america. there has been zero progress on a deal, zero. keeping them honest though, the american people clearly want some sort of a compromise. polls show they want results but the two sides are still far apart on the issue at the heart of the debate, whether the wealthiest americans should pay more taxes than they do right now. the people you elected to get things done simply are not getting it done, not even close. but maybe we should not be surprised, because in a cnn/orc poll taken a few weeks ago, 67% said washington officials would behave like spoiled children in fiscal cliff discussions. only 28% said they would behave like responsible adults. with that in mind, here's what the key players, the grownups, have said in just the past 24 hours. listen. >> the math, it doesn't work. >> his proposal was so outlandish, i don't think
known as the fiscal cliff. neither side has been very willing to really deal with the nuts and bolts, the reality of tax rates, reality of spending cuts, the reality of tax reform. that's really what next year's going to be all about. right now i just don't see -- i mean, can we just get real here? we're talking five weeks tops before the end of this lame-duck session, end of the year. and these guys are going to get done in five weeks what they haven't been able to do in five months? >> here's the thing. >> we'll do it when it comes to the cliff. >> yeah, we have a deadline. >> look at human behavior for a second. the next five weeks is the chance for everybody. would would they ever be incentivized to make a deal before they have to? look at behavior. and behavior common sense tells you it's going to happen, but it's not going to happen soon. >> i understand that scenario. i spent 30 years doing deals. i know how deals work, midnight, back room, the clock is ticking. two things to remember. this is not like buying a car. this is a complicated deal. it's got so many moving pieces. y
. from td ameritrade. dennis: growing number of companies fearing the fiscal cliff, borrowing money to pay off dividends now. tracy: there's a side effect to be aware of, and elizabeth is mere. >> swamp the balance sheet with debt, you're going to get a credit rating cut, and that's why agencies are warning. we have $100 billion borrowed in november, and now the number of companies issuing special dividends 234 # tax hikes on dividends, 173. watch out, costco cut by fitch, its credit rating downgraded. s&p down downgraded jack daniels and vodka, you know, allen hamilton in the third quarter, cairn vol, all borrowed to issue special dividends, and really interesting story is costco, the ceo has been out there saying americans have to pay their fair share and sacrifice. you know, a big supporter of the president. he's saving $4 million on the special dividends costco has advance of the tax hikes. the board saving about $8 million on a $29 million dividend they get early. this is the companies on the radar screen. not, you know, just for that, if you are out there saying, yes, america
weeks partly because of the fiscal cliff. people who already train and who work out regularly, you're one of the ultimate kind of discretionary expenditures, of those things that people might cut back on going into christmas. >> i think it's an unknown, i won't say it worries us, i think we have a very core guest and i think that gives me a lot of confidence in the back half of the quarter is the very strong sales that we have seen starting in october through november, we have seen a great acceleration so we know that we're a very giftable item and we would expect to see strong gift card redemption sales and so i think there's a lot of things that give us confidence that we can have a great quarter. >> christine, how big can men's be. i'm trying to figure out if you can be like nike. >> i think from there's a huge market still that we're actually creating in the athletic technical wear space as well as the technical street, which is a very big market and without putting a time frame on it, we definitely see ourselves with a bigger than $10 billion business. >> christine day, ceo of
to buckle and they're going to cave as we get closer to the fiscal cliff? could that be a possibility? >> sure, they think the trump card in this is they can let all the bush tax cuts expire. but what you've seen in this so-called first offer is really just a risk statement of everything the president's previously said. while we're doing this kabuki around the negotiation, is this the first offer? are they trying to prompt the republicans to make the first offer? what is the real first offer here? and by the way, we talk about the markets. if you look -- we can see what happens with the stock market, but what really matters is the bond markets. and when you look at how the bond markets valued u.s. treasuries throughout this period, it's low. this is cheap time for the treasury to borrow money. that means bond markets are saying we think the u.s. government, congress and the white house is going to fix this problem. ultimately. may not be right now, but ultimately they will fix it. long-term bet is with this country. >> hey, jim, how long has it been since the republican congress has v
on the fiscal cliff. we can have more details on just where they are. you've got 32 days or so before the possibility of these tax increases, as well as spending cuts to go into effect, and it is high stakes diplomacy, political posturing, as well as serious economic questions in terms of how this is going to impact all of us in the coming new year. we're going to have more on that after a quick break. bayer? this isn't just a headache. trust me, this is new bayer migraine. [ male announcer ] it's the power of aspirin plus more in a triple action formula to relieve your tough migraines. new bayer migraine formula. aids is not going to take my baby. ♪ aids will not take our future. ♪ our weapons are testing... education, care and support. ♪ and aids... ♪ aids is going to lose. aids is going to lose. ♪ stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect creatures living in an imperfect world. that's why liberty mutual insurance has your back with great ideas like our optional better car replacement. if your car is totaled, we give you the money to buy one
to be permanent. and on top of it, for me, the bigger question is the fiscal cliff debate rather than a growth cliff debate is what we've got wrong. >> whatever the news is, at this point, everyone -- it comes down to certainty, whatever it is, doesn't it at this point? joining us now from capitol hill, maybe we'll get an answer here, republican representative from washington and the new chairwoman of the house republican conference, congratulations, congresswoman, kathy mcmorris rodgers, good to have you on the show this morning. >> thanks. >> great to have you here. >> great to be with you. >> you've heard part of this debate. >> yes. >> how do republicans knowing we have to raise revenue, how do republicans raise the type of revenue that needs to be raised? >> well, republicans believe that this is the time for big solutions, for laying out that framework so it's not just a quick fix, but a appraisal fix. and as you were just talking about, the rates, what we really need that -- focusing on the top 2% is really a straw man. what we need is a tax reform in america for middle class families a
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